Muslim immigrant surrounded by europe - why would they bother to integrate?
recently i so often heard just about the troubles with muslim immigrants in europe. one of the issues unbelievably often raised i heard be that their integration to their host societies is very poor, and that they only integrate at community level (muslim neighbourhoods etc) but not at society rank
well, i really dont understand why people expect these immigrant to integrate. it is such a naive idea. why would they even want to integrate? they don't come to europe coz they have diligently studied the region and fixed that they wanted to become europeans - they come for the better living conditions, that's all, they could not care smaller quantity about integration. how can people be so innocently naive that they mull over these guys come to become say british nationals? they want to become british citizens only, and retain their identity. i am not condemning their purposes coz the legalized system makes it possible for them to do that, but i do think that expecting these guys to make an challenge to integrate and then getting shocked when it turns out that they won't, well, that's extremely naive.
what do you chew over?
Answers:
They have come to UK for a better channel of life , as soon as the arrive the are given housing ,schools for their children ,free health meticulousness ,a nice cheque each week, a mobile phone and in some cases money for a car.They adjectives know how to beat the system and are treated better than the British people they pull the racist card if anything is said against them and you are right most don't integrate.
They are given everything to may their energy as comfortable as possible for them , some are even working in the UK and sending state assisted child allowance money back to their families surrounded by their own country, and who is paying from all this , its the British tax payer. In some cases they even have their own statute (for civil cases ) but it wont be long before they have criminal law courts . There are gang of intimidating youths in town centers all nicely dressed courtesy of the British import tax payer , and no one says a word because we are told we cannot cause any conflict as its racist . I did surface sorry fo these people but the system has let the British family down. A very interesting question.
Well done. You are perceptive. A mistletoe does not want to become its host plant because if it does, it will not be able to enjoy the free-ride. It's the host plant that have to work to provide the nutrients for the mistletoe to grow. Far be it for us to accuse immigrants of being parasitic, this illustration only shows that only by being somehow separate can certain symbiotic relationships work. I'm sure Prof Putnam of Harvard would approve.
I moved from England to Spain 4 years ago and I have been learning the argot and trying to integrate with the locals , the difference being if I don't work, I don't get a penny from the state . No free strength care , housing or hand outs of any kind , I agree 100% near Miss T .
Yes, you are totally right. But this government does not hold the balls to do anything about it. Anyone see 'undercover mosque', where the muslims on the programme said it is a sin to live amongst us. (i bet the financial benefits bear the sting out of it though)
If you want to play on our pitch, you play by our rules.
From my experience, the second generation children of more intelligent, significantly educated muslim immigrants integrate very economically. I work with some muslim girls who live very Western lives, don't necessarily wear hijab or other muslim clothing, have full social lives and are incredibly integrated. they still observe all the muslim traditions but they are very western as capably.
The problem comes when low-caste, uneducated people come to live here and don't have the intellect or tuition to integrate. They don't speak English and can't move in western circles. They live in the poor, ghetto-like areas with others of their own style.
The educated muslims get good job and move out into the suburbs into nice semis with big driveways. they become very westernised. Its the poorly educated, low caste ones who are not sufficiently expert to integrate.
WOW... mate, you just said the stuff ive being drafting up in my guide.
Seriously i take my hat off to you. Im going to put this on my favourites and use it as suggestion.
Well done mate!
And to answer your question, your absolutly spot on.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean..
If you mean it's naive to expect family like muslims to integrate because they're muslims, and they don't have the mental ability or the desire to even try, consequently yes, I agree with you..
However, if you mean it's naive to expect anyone to integrate to their different country, then you couldn't be further from right. In that case, YOU are the naive one. That's the integral point of moving to another country, to have a better life. Meaning that your old country severely apparently isn't getting it right, causing you to look elsewhere for a better life. When you move to another country, you HAVE to adapt to THEIR opening of life, the new country DOES NOT adapt to you.
To presume that a country adapts to the individual is so mind-numbingly absurd, I can't even imagine how someone could muse that. If the new country did adapt to the individuals who are looking for a better life, after it's only a matter of time until the "new" country becomes the "old" country. Thus cause the individual to immigrate to yet another country, causing the parasite effect all over the world.
Expecting to move to another country lacking adapting to their way of living is the same as have someone come live with you for a while because they're having tough times, and they expect you to let them transfer everything about your house and the way you act. My house, my rules. Don't resembling it, go back home.
The chief problem is terrorism and the fact that they now want Sharia Law in adjectives countries. To me, when in Rome! I wouldn't expect them to change their laws if I lived within a Muslim country.
The problem is that associates expect immigrants to integrate as soon as they come off the boat. It doesn't work that way. Irish communities surrounded by the UK used to be very isolated from mainstream society, now they're entirely integrated. If you look at the emerging social group of European Muslims they're far more integrated than their ancestors. It just takes time.
their idea is for the rest of us to integrate with them, its us to be precise wrong
well then they should stay in the cavern they came from
I don't care if one is muslim or jew or christian or buddhist or anything, if he becomes (or is) the citizen, he must try to integrate, each religion gives some space for integration. I enjoy muslim friends who integrated, they go to pubs with us they drink non-alcoholic drinks & usually eat lacto-vegetarian food or fish (since they can only eat halal meat), that is integration while keeping their religious boundaries intact. Not close to those fanatics who declare my friends KAFIR (non-believers) if they come to pub with us.
My point is, one must try to integrate (my friends do even they are muslims) & if they want to preserve their religion intact its up to them. Anyone who doesn't want to integrate can go back to the hole they belong to.
these *** don't want to integrate,they have no intention of blending in.
they want to take over,they WILL NOT tolerate any other society than their own.
swear allegiance to our flag and our queen or don't bother getting stale the *** plane
I think you bump up a good point. I do not think it is quite as straightforward as 'they couldn't guardianship less about integration'.
I think that muslim communities do tend to be close knit and enjoy ties in amongst themselves, as do Christian communities in non-Christian countries. I think in attendance are several barriers to successful integration such as language which diminish with the subsequent generation. Second generation immigrants who own been educated through the European education system and enjoy no language barriers are more integrated.
I don;t think muslims surrounded by Europe should be judged by the actions of a few mentalists as I didn't think Irish population should be judged by the actions of the IRA.
Your right.
If some have a problem, maybe they should distribute some money overseas to entice them there, or even to stay home.
America has destroyed and sanctioned some countries into being unlivable
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well, i really dont understand why people expect these immigrant to integrate. it is such a naive idea. why would they even want to integrate? they don't come to europe coz they have diligently studied the region and fixed that they wanted to become europeans - they come for the better living conditions, that's all, they could not care smaller quantity about integration. how can people be so innocently naive that they mull over these guys come to become say british nationals? they want to become british citizens only, and retain their identity. i am not condemning their purposes coz the legalized system makes it possible for them to do that, but i do think that expecting these guys to make an challenge to integrate and then getting shocked when it turns out that they won't, well, that's extremely naive.
what do you chew over?
Answers:
They have come to UK for a better channel of life , as soon as the arrive the are given housing ,schools for their children ,free health meticulousness ,a nice cheque each week, a mobile phone and in some cases money for a car.They adjectives know how to beat the system and are treated better than the British people they pull the racist card if anything is said against them and you are right most don't integrate.
They are given everything to may their energy as comfortable as possible for them , some are even working in the UK and sending state assisted child allowance money back to their families surrounded by their own country, and who is paying from all this , its the British tax payer. In some cases they even have their own statute (for civil cases ) but it wont be long before they have criminal law courts . There are gang of intimidating youths in town centers all nicely dressed courtesy of the British import tax payer , and no one says a word because we are told we cannot cause any conflict as its racist . I did surface sorry fo these people but the system has let the British family down. A very interesting question.
Well done. You are perceptive. A mistletoe does not want to become its host plant because if it does, it will not be able to enjoy the free-ride. It's the host plant that have to work to provide the nutrients for the mistletoe to grow. Far be it for us to accuse immigrants of being parasitic, this illustration only shows that only by being somehow separate can certain symbiotic relationships work. I'm sure Prof Putnam of Harvard would approve.
I moved from England to Spain 4 years ago and I have been learning the argot and trying to integrate with the locals , the difference being if I don't work, I don't get a penny from the state . No free strength care , housing or hand outs of any kind , I agree 100% near Miss T .
Yes, you are totally right. But this government does not hold the balls to do anything about it. Anyone see 'undercover mosque', where the muslims on the programme said it is a sin to live amongst us. (i bet the financial benefits bear the sting out of it though)
If you want to play on our pitch, you play by our rules.
From my experience, the second generation children of more intelligent, significantly educated muslim immigrants integrate very economically. I work with some muslim girls who live very Western lives, don't necessarily wear hijab or other muslim clothing, have full social lives and are incredibly integrated. they still observe all the muslim traditions but they are very western as capably.
The problem comes when low-caste, uneducated people come to live here and don't have the intellect or tuition to integrate. They don't speak English and can't move in western circles. They live in the poor, ghetto-like areas with others of their own style.
The educated muslims get good job and move out into the suburbs into nice semis with big driveways. they become very westernised. Its the poorly educated, low caste ones who are not sufficiently expert to integrate.
WOW... mate, you just said the stuff ive being drafting up in my guide.
Seriously i take my hat off to you. Im going to put this on my favourites and use it as suggestion.
Well done mate!
And to answer your question, your absolutly spot on.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean..
If you mean it's naive to expect family like muslims to integrate because they're muslims, and they don't have the mental ability or the desire to even try, consequently yes, I agree with you..
However, if you mean it's naive to expect anyone to integrate to their different country, then you couldn't be further from right. In that case, YOU are the naive one. That's the integral point of moving to another country, to have a better life. Meaning that your old country severely apparently isn't getting it right, causing you to look elsewhere for a better life. When you move to another country, you HAVE to adapt to THEIR opening of life, the new country DOES NOT adapt to you.
To presume that a country adapts to the individual is so mind-numbingly absurd, I can't even imagine how someone could muse that. If the new country did adapt to the individuals who are looking for a better life, after it's only a matter of time until the "new" country becomes the "old" country. Thus cause the individual to immigrate to yet another country, causing the parasite effect all over the world.
Expecting to move to another country lacking adapting to their way of living is the same as have someone come live with you for a while because they're having tough times, and they expect you to let them transfer everything about your house and the way you act. My house, my rules. Don't resembling it, go back home.
The chief problem is terrorism and the fact that they now want Sharia Law in adjectives countries. To me, when in Rome! I wouldn't expect them to change their laws if I lived within a Muslim country.
The problem is that associates expect immigrants to integrate as soon as they come off the boat. It doesn't work that way. Irish communities surrounded by the UK used to be very isolated from mainstream society, now they're entirely integrated. If you look at the emerging social group of European Muslims they're far more integrated than their ancestors. It just takes time.
their idea is for the rest of us to integrate with them, its us to be precise wrong
well then they should stay in the cavern they came from
I don't care if one is muslim or jew or christian or buddhist or anything, if he becomes (or is) the citizen, he must try to integrate, each religion gives some space for integration. I enjoy muslim friends who integrated, they go to pubs with us they drink non-alcoholic drinks & usually eat lacto-vegetarian food or fish (since they can only eat halal meat), that is integration while keeping their religious boundaries intact. Not close to those fanatics who declare my friends KAFIR (non-believers) if they come to pub with us.
My point is, one must try to integrate (my friends do even they are muslims) & if they want to preserve their religion intact its up to them. Anyone who doesn't want to integrate can go back to the hole they belong to.
these *** don't want to integrate,they have no intention of blending in.
they want to take over,they WILL NOT tolerate any other society than their own.
swear allegiance to our flag and our queen or don't bother getting stale the *** plane
I think you bump up a good point. I do not think it is quite as straightforward as 'they couldn't guardianship less about integration'.
I think that muslim communities do tend to be close knit and enjoy ties in amongst themselves, as do Christian communities in non-Christian countries. I think in attendance are several barriers to successful integration such as language which diminish with the subsequent generation. Second generation immigrants who own been educated through the European education system and enjoy no language barriers are more integrated.
I don;t think muslims surrounded by Europe should be judged by the actions of a few mentalists as I didn't think Irish population should be judged by the actions of the IRA.
Your right.
If some have a problem, maybe they should distribute some money overseas to entice them there, or even to stay home.
America has destroyed and sanctioned some countries into being unlivable
Resolved Questions:
Do you inevitability special documents for your sports car when you cross the Canadian border?
Just take your passport and be ready to give an honest allegation of what you have (liquor, etc) in your car. They can explore you of course for cause or just a hit and miss check. I would make sure I had proof of registration and insurance...
Why are Mexicans taking over adjectives federal, state and county job within America?
Mexicans are bilingual, better prepared, higher skilled, smarter and powerfully educated. Mexicans are also hard working people wanting to succeed. God bless Mexicans in USA! Several points to your dumb examine... #1. Mexican-Americans are not Mexican, they are American. #2. Diversity is not used correctly in your sentence. #3. Where...