Are people's fears of immigrant one first within the queue for council housing misplaced?
A recent study showed that only 1.8% of council house tenants were recent immigrant from overseas. 89% were born in Britain, and 10% people from out of the country, who had lived here for more than five years.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090707/tuk…
I know a friend who works contained by the housing department at Lincoln City Council - the criteria used are based on housing need for each individual domestic, and not their ethnicity.
Does this disprove the myth that council houses are distributed unfairly?
Is not the real problem behind council housing shortages a withdrawal of investment by the government in new council houses? Should we not be blaming the policy for cutbacks, rather than immigrants?
Answers:
This Government have manipulated statistics since it was elected. Everyone heard Brown state that "locals" be going to be prioritised on housing and they were going to change the system. So therefore any Brown doesn't know what was going on or immigrants were given priority.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/po…
Edit,
You asked a cross-question about peoples fears, my answer showed that their fears were correct. We don't have any money not here to throw at building new Council housing.
Yes . the fact that councils may no longer build council houses , Social housing is largely developed by housing associations and local councils can nominate tenants for a proportion of these properties ... The right to buy scheme introduced in the 80's saw tons hundreds of thousands of council houses and New town houses sold to tenants at knock down prices, drastically reducing the housing stock available .. So add the reduced number ot dwellings, immigrant requirements, and standard increase in population,, all adds up to the overall shortfall . Onus is upon family to obtain their own private accommodation and not to rely on very scarce social housing ..
Its a manipulation of figures, I used to work in the property game and I can relate you that immigrants do get an unfair good thing because they are often seen as an "emergency" case ie they enjoy children and no other option. These figures only show council houses but they don't show the information for immigrants that are classed as an"emergency" case by the council and are living in private rented housing next to the cost covered by the council. There are actually very few Traditional "council houses" left, this is the mode they get round the problem. Personally I believe any house where the tax payer pays the rent should be counted. The establishment has only released the figure that they want everyone to know, its just going to wash though when its simply not true. Your friend is right that it is not based on ethnicity, its on a points system but the point system is biased in Immigrants (of any race) desire. Source(s): Not a BNP supporter
The facts about council home allocation completely verbs the nonsense that people are constantly misled with. However, the mass medium - upon which we rely for our information - does "nothing" to correct the false impression that the masses have. So, we cannot rely upon the "news" outlets for accurate information. Which method that everything else that we are told is also unreliable. It's quite scary when you wake to this reality. Though it is quite wonderful when you start thinking for yourself; after removing the mass-media from your life.
At the cessation of the day, statistics really don't prove anything because those who collect and collate the data seem to be so subjective. The behind the times, old saying "too many cooks spoil the pot"?
It's also be proved in lots of scientific experiments that if you have an expectation of the result, that result will evolve. I believe that statistics can be helpfull but they should be carried out by separate companies or government departments so that the information is as objective as posible.
The point is, don't confuse immigrants next to genuine asylum seekers. Genuine refugees do get preferential treatment because to be precise international law. Just being a migrant entitles you to nothing.
Further indisputable fact-based truth that immigrants are not a strain on UK society.
Not suprising to hear the anti-immgration lobby suggesting the figures are manipulate or just plain wrong, not because there are other independent studies to back these beliefs up, but because they don't want to adopt the facts.
The only immigrants given preferential housing are asylum seekers and refugees. Often this housing comes surrounded by the form of a dingy hostel or B&B.
Most London borough's have sold off their council houses and have none vanished - especially places like Islington and Lambeth. This is why new social housing needs to be built.
From my observations over the years I'd say that the allotment of council housing is based upon faddy needs and not upon ethnicity.
Here in Greenwich the local authority housing department operate a points system - which means that relatives with kids get on the list at a complex level than a single person or a couple without kids, etc.
I own no way of knowing whether immigrants get any sort of priority or not. My guess is that various recently arrived immigrants simply find themselves somewhere to live in the private sector and know full capably they have little chance of getting a council property, which in any overnight case are in very short supply, because councils are no longer allowed to build new ones - this commission is now entirely in the hands of the abundant 'housing associations'.
The truth about UK is that about 70 to 75% of us own our houses and thus we're not all that bothered in the region of council housing and who gets what. So long as there's a fair system in place, after it seems okay to me.
I do not believe that asylum seekers get any kind of priority. On the contrary, copious seem to spend weeks and months behind wire fence in an assortment of camps while their 'issues' are being sorted out. Quite a massive number of these 'asylum seekers' are simply sent back from whence they came as being found out as fiddlers or anything.
No, I think on the whole that we are a fair minded society and those of us who think there's some kind of 'thing' going on, may very powerfully have mild justification for this, but mostly it's just hear-say evidence and not base upon fact.
On the whole, while mistakes are made, these are usually rectified - remember, the authorities are constantly lower than scrutiny, especially by MPs who get a massive post-bag telling them what their constituents think of this or that immigration policy etc.
THE DAILY MAIL
I've be reading this nonsense rag since the age of 14. I'm now 68 and individual read it to find out what the 'other side' are up to. Think the DM should be renamed as the DAILY RAGE - because that's just about all it is adept of, except of course sticking up for the underdog - a job which it does extremely well. I remember how the DM would not tolerate go of the case of the murder of Stephen Lawrence in a street not far from where on earth I live and how it said, "we know who the guilty people are" and then published their names followed by the smudge, "So, if we're wrong, sue us." No sueage followed. etc
Immigration isn't the reason for nouns of housing it's the fact that Thatcher decided everyone could buy their council house for such a cheap rate that noone would turn down and made them all private so council houses 25-30 years ago are very soon houses that are unaffordable to first time buyers, as such those who could afford housing now can't and are put on social housing lists. There needs to be social housing that remains social housing and cheaper rental and buying rates so nation can get off social housing and into their own home.
Aint it strange that when i show statistics to show the opposite they just statistics that are just a squander of time and mean nothing.
Maybe people will believe what ever they want to believe?
If you are an appeaser you will not want to upset immigrant and if your not then you will have the bottle to tell it how it is conceivably.
You see in my answer if you have enough intelligence it can share you a lot about yourself and others work it out its not rocket science.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-…
I don't know how you feel something like the Governments own Equality watchdog maybe they are liars as well.
It is a bit lucid that you cannot import millions of people from some of the poorest nations contained by the world and not give them some where to live.
Will anything i have said adapt your train of thought will you stand outside and be able to look in?
The answer is no but thats your choice.
Nope you said 10% that have be living here for more than 5 years so where are these people housed until then?
I repeat you cannot introduction millions of people and not house them can you?
Jimsta has hit the staple on the head. People who are currently homeless, have large family and no alternative accommodation are given priority, especially if any of them are ill. Third world immigrants usually fit these criteria so they bring priority, and they know it. Why else would they travel right across Europe to get here?
Regardless of who is first surrounded by the queue they have a disproportionate number of council houses to proportion of the population (apparently), which all could've gone to British nationals instead. None of those council houses, surrounded by horribly short supply, should be given to anyone else if a British person is living on a waiting list. Especially - as you say - the council houses are a right and not a privilege. What happen when the rights are not met to the British... you're so inconsistent.
When the housing is in short supply do you think pumping more immigrants surrounded by helps the scenario? HELLO
You should never move to another country unless you can support yourself throughout your stay in the first place but that's a whole other issue.
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090707/tuk…
I know a friend who works contained by the housing department at Lincoln City Council - the criteria used are based on housing need for each individual domestic, and not their ethnicity.
Does this disprove the myth that council houses are distributed unfairly?
Is not the real problem behind council housing shortages a withdrawal of investment by the government in new council houses? Should we not be blaming the policy for cutbacks, rather than immigrants?
Answers:
This Government have manipulated statistics since it was elected. Everyone heard Brown state that "locals" be going to be prioritised on housing and they were going to change the system. So therefore any Brown doesn't know what was going on or immigrants were given priority.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/po…
Edit,
You asked a cross-question about peoples fears, my answer showed that their fears were correct. We don't have any money not here to throw at building new Council housing.
Yes . the fact that councils may no longer build council houses , Social housing is largely developed by housing associations and local councils can nominate tenants for a proportion of these properties ... The right to buy scheme introduced in the 80's saw tons hundreds of thousands of council houses and New town houses sold to tenants at knock down prices, drastically reducing the housing stock available .. So add the reduced number ot dwellings, immigrant requirements, and standard increase in population,, all adds up to the overall shortfall . Onus is upon family to obtain their own private accommodation and not to rely on very scarce social housing ..
Its a manipulation of figures, I used to work in the property game and I can relate you that immigrants do get an unfair good thing because they are often seen as an "emergency" case ie they enjoy children and no other option. These figures only show council houses but they don't show the information for immigrants that are classed as an"emergency" case by the council and are living in private rented housing next to the cost covered by the council. There are actually very few Traditional "council houses" left, this is the mode they get round the problem. Personally I believe any house where the tax payer pays the rent should be counted. The establishment has only released the figure that they want everyone to know, its just going to wash though when its simply not true. Your friend is right that it is not based on ethnicity, its on a points system but the point system is biased in Immigrants (of any race) desire. Source(s): Not a BNP supporter
The facts about council home allocation completely verbs the nonsense that people are constantly misled with. However, the mass medium - upon which we rely for our information - does "nothing" to correct the false impression that the masses have. So, we cannot rely upon the "news" outlets for accurate information. Which method that everything else that we are told is also unreliable. It's quite scary when you wake to this reality. Though it is quite wonderful when you start thinking for yourself; after removing the mass-media from your life.
At the cessation of the day, statistics really don't prove anything because those who collect and collate the data seem to be so subjective. The behind the times, old saying "too many cooks spoil the pot"?
It's also be proved in lots of scientific experiments that if you have an expectation of the result, that result will evolve. I believe that statistics can be helpfull but they should be carried out by separate companies or government departments so that the information is as objective as posible.
The point is, don't confuse immigrants next to genuine asylum seekers. Genuine refugees do get preferential treatment because to be precise international law. Just being a migrant entitles you to nothing.
Further indisputable fact-based truth that immigrants are not a strain on UK society.
Not suprising to hear the anti-immgration lobby suggesting the figures are manipulate or just plain wrong, not because there are other independent studies to back these beliefs up, but because they don't want to adopt the facts.
The only immigrants given preferential housing are asylum seekers and refugees. Often this housing comes surrounded by the form of a dingy hostel or B&B.
Most London borough's have sold off their council houses and have none vanished - especially places like Islington and Lambeth. This is why new social housing needs to be built.
From my observations over the years I'd say that the allotment of council housing is based upon faddy needs and not upon ethnicity.
Here in Greenwich the local authority housing department operate a points system - which means that relatives with kids get on the list at a complex level than a single person or a couple without kids, etc.
I own no way of knowing whether immigrants get any sort of priority or not. My guess is that various recently arrived immigrants simply find themselves somewhere to live in the private sector and know full capably they have little chance of getting a council property, which in any overnight case are in very short supply, because councils are no longer allowed to build new ones - this commission is now entirely in the hands of the abundant 'housing associations'.
The truth about UK is that about 70 to 75% of us own our houses and thus we're not all that bothered in the region of council housing and who gets what. So long as there's a fair system in place, after it seems okay to me.
I do not believe that asylum seekers get any kind of priority. On the contrary, copious seem to spend weeks and months behind wire fence in an assortment of camps while their 'issues' are being sorted out. Quite a massive number of these 'asylum seekers' are simply sent back from whence they came as being found out as fiddlers or anything.
No, I think on the whole that we are a fair minded society and those of us who think there's some kind of 'thing' going on, may very powerfully have mild justification for this, but mostly it's just hear-say evidence and not base upon fact.
On the whole, while mistakes are made, these are usually rectified - remember, the authorities are constantly lower than scrutiny, especially by MPs who get a massive post-bag telling them what their constituents think of this or that immigration policy etc.
THE DAILY MAIL
I've be reading this nonsense rag since the age of 14. I'm now 68 and individual read it to find out what the 'other side' are up to. Think the DM should be renamed as the DAILY RAGE - because that's just about all it is adept of, except of course sticking up for the underdog - a job which it does extremely well. I remember how the DM would not tolerate go of the case of the murder of Stephen Lawrence in a street not far from where on earth I live and how it said, "we know who the guilty people are" and then published their names followed by the smudge, "So, if we're wrong, sue us." No sueage followed. etc
Immigration isn't the reason for nouns of housing it's the fact that Thatcher decided everyone could buy their council house for such a cheap rate that noone would turn down and made them all private so council houses 25-30 years ago are very soon houses that are unaffordable to first time buyers, as such those who could afford housing now can't and are put on social housing lists. There needs to be social housing that remains social housing and cheaper rental and buying rates so nation can get off social housing and into their own home.
Aint it strange that when i show statistics to show the opposite they just statistics that are just a squander of time and mean nothing.
Maybe people will believe what ever they want to believe?
If you are an appeaser you will not want to upset immigrant and if your not then you will have the bottle to tell it how it is conceivably.
You see in my answer if you have enough intelligence it can share you a lot about yourself and others work it out its not rocket science.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-…
I don't know how you feel something like the Governments own Equality watchdog maybe they are liars as well.
It is a bit lucid that you cannot import millions of people from some of the poorest nations contained by the world and not give them some where to live.
Will anything i have said adapt your train of thought will you stand outside and be able to look in?
The answer is no but thats your choice.
Nope you said 10% that have be living here for more than 5 years so where are these people housed until then?
I repeat you cannot introduction millions of people and not house them can you?
Jimsta has hit the staple on the head. People who are currently homeless, have large family and no alternative accommodation are given priority, especially if any of them are ill. Third world immigrants usually fit these criteria so they bring priority, and they know it. Why else would they travel right across Europe to get here?
Regardless of who is first surrounded by the queue they have a disproportionate number of council houses to proportion of the population (apparently), which all could've gone to British nationals instead. None of those council houses, surrounded by horribly short supply, should be given to anyone else if a British person is living on a waiting list. Especially - as you say - the council houses are a right and not a privilege. What happen when the rights are not met to the British... you're so inconsistent.
When the housing is in short supply do you think pumping more immigrants surrounded by helps the scenario? HELLO
You should never move to another country unless you can support yourself throughout your stay in the first place but that's a whole other issue.
Resolved Questions:
3185-11.html
I want to live contained by America but right in a minute i live contained by India ..?
i heard that if i change my religion ..by some Cristian organization . after that i get to live in America is it true ? or is there any other way i can do it ?? You may want to reconsider that move. America is not what...